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泰伯第八 · chapter 9 · not yet coveredThe people can be made to follow it, but cannot be made to…

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子曰:民可使由之,不可使知之。
Text: Zhu Xi's Collected Commentaries on the Analects (Sibu Beiyao edition), page 111 of the base edition.

The Master said: The people can be made to follow it, but cannot be made to understand it.

Working English rendering by Yikonglu; the Chinese text above is what counts.

What this chapter says

一孔按:“不可”是做不到,不是不许。百姓能照着做,却没法人人都懂其中道理。程子说:若说圣人不让百姓知道,那是后世的权术。

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白Plain Chinese

孔子说:对百姓,可以让他们照着正理去做,却很难让每个人都明白其中的所以然。

Draft plain-Chinese rendering following Zhu Xi; it will be checked when the chapter is covered.

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Connections

Other books
  • Read alongside (Yikonglu)Daodejing 65: "Not to enlighten the people but to keep them simple" (非以明民,将以愚之): the two lines are often compared, and both depend on how the old commentaries read them.
Disputed reading

Relationship map of the whole book · The Analects, AI-reconstructed edition (PDF)

Close reading and checking

For readers who want to go deeper or check our work: key words in the commentary, what other commentators say, textual variants, the commentaries in their own words with facsimile pages, pronunciation and corrections. Tap a heading to open it.

核Zhu Xi's commentary, line by line

Zhu Xi's own words on each line of this chapter, each checked against the base-edition page. Other commentators are added when the chapter is covered. About this edition

LineQuoted textPage
子曰:民可使由之“民可使之由于是理之当然,而不能使之知其所以然也。”page 111
子曰:民可使由之“岂圣人之心乎。”page 111—112
子曰:民可使由之“圣人设教,非不欲人家喻而户晓也,然不能使之知,但能使之由之尔。若曰圣人不使民知,则是后世朝四暮三之术也,岂圣人之心乎?”page 111—112

家Other commentaries

Our base text is Zhu Xi's Collected Commentaries (above). Here are other commentaries side by side: for old commentaries, the first line of the sub-commentary with a link to the woodblock scan; for modern editions, one short quoted translation for comparison. The “compared with Zhu Xi” notes are written by Yikonglu, not quoted.

皇侃《论语义疏》Liang dynasty · 1750 Japanese woodblock edition · juan 四

“此明天道深遠,非人道所知也。”……

woodblock scan vol. 2 p. 70About this edition

杨伯峻《论语译注》Zhonghua Book Co. · modern, short quote

“老百姓,可以使他们照着我们的道路走去,…”

About this edition

钱穆《论语新解》modern, short quote

“在上者指导民众,有时只可使民众由我所指导而行,…”

About this edition

Compared with Zhu Xi

CommentaryPointRelationConfidenceNote
杨伯峻《论语译注》知word sensesettled杨直译可以使民遵行、不可以使知其所以,不采民指弟子等改读;朱强调是不能皆知而非不欲其知,语用取向有别。
钱穆《论语新解》samefairly sure同读为民可由理之当然、未必能知所以然,不是统治者故意禁知;钱把不可联系智力及教化次第,朱引程子明确斥愚民术。

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