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Ba yi (Book 3) · chapter 8The painting comes after the white ground

子夏问曰:巧笑倩兮,美目盼兮,素以为绚兮。何谓也?子曰:绘事后素。曰:礼后乎?子曰:起予者商也!始可与言诗已矣。
Source text and commentary from Zhu Xi, Lunyu jizhu (Sibu beiyao printing).

Zixia asked: “Her artful smile dimpling, her lovely eyes clear, white to set off the colours” — what does this mean? The Master said: The painting comes after the white ground. He said: Then ritual comes after? The Master said: Shang, you have drawn me out! Now I can talk about the Odes with you.

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常The common reading

Paint first, or prime first?

注Key words in the commentary

“此逸诗也” — this is a lost ode; “素,粉地,画之质也;绚,采色,画之饰也” — su is the white ground, the substance of a painting; xuan is colour, its ornament; “后素,后于素也” — houxu means after the white; Kaogongji: “绘画之事后素功” — painting comes after the white work; “礼必以忠信为质” — ritual must have loyalty and trust as its substance; “起,犹发也” — qi means to draw out.

家What other commentators say

Xie Liangzuo: “子贡因论学而知诗,子夏因论诗而知学” — Zigong came to the Odes through learning, Zixia came to learning through the Odes; Yang Shi: “白受采……苟无其质,礼不虚行” — white takes colour; without substance, ritual does not work empty — and “玩心于章句之末,则其为诗也固而已矣” — fiddling with phrasing makes one's reading of the Odes rigid.

读How Yikonglu reads it

If the ground is not smooth, every colour you put on comes out blotchy.

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Quoted textSourcePage
“此逸诗也。倩,好口辅也。盼,目黑白分也。素,粉地,画之质也。绚,采色,画之饰也”Zhu Xi's commentarypage 40
“言人有此倩盼之美质,而又加以华采之饰,如有素地而加采色也。子夏疑其反谓以素为饰,故问之”Zhu Xi's commentarypage 40
“绘事,绘画之事也。后素,后于素也。考工记曰:绘画之事后素功。谓先以粉地为质,而后施五采,犹人有美质,然后可加文饰”Zhu Xi's commentarypage 41
“礼必以忠信为质,犹绘事必以粉素为先。起,犹发也。起予,言能起发我之志意”Zhu Xi's commentarypage 41
“子贡因论学而知诗,子夏因论诗而知学,故皆可与言诗”Xie Liangzuo, quoted by Zhu Xipage 41
“(前省“甘受和”三字)白受采,忠信之人可以学礼。苟无其质,礼不虚行……若夫玩心于章句之末,则其为诗也固而已矣。所谓起予,则亦相长之义也”朱注引杨氏(中间“此繪事後素之說也……商賜可與言詩者以此”省去)page 41

音Pronunciation

CharacterIn the lineRead as
倩巧笑倩兮qiàn
盼美目盼兮pàn
绚素以为绚xuàn
绘绘事后素huì

页Pages of the base edition

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