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阳货第十七 · chapter 10 · not yet coveredHave you studied the Zhounan and Shaonan?

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子謂伯魚曰:女為周南召南矣乎?人而不為周南召南,其猶正牆面而立也與?
Text: Zhu Xi's Collected Commentaries on the Analects (Sibu Beiyao edition), page 237 of the base edition.

The Master said to Boyu: Have you studied the Zhounan and Shaonan? A man who has not studied the Zhounan and Shaonan is like one standing with his face right up against a wall!

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白Plain Chinese

孔子问伯鱼学过《周南》《召南》没有,说人不学这两部分诗,就像正对着墙站着,看不见,也无从向前走。

Draft plain-Chinese rendering following Zhu Xi; it will be checked when the chapter is covered.

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皇侃《论语义疏》Liang dynasty · 1750 Japanese woodblock edition · juan 九

“云子謂云云者,伯魚,孔子之子也。”……

woodblock scan vol. 5 p. 12About this edition

杨伯峻《论语译注》Zhonghua Book Co. · modern, short quote

“人假若不研究《周南》和《召南》,那会像面正对着墙壁而站着罢!”

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钱穆《论语新解》modern, short quote

“你学了周南、召南的诗吗?”

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Compared with Zhu Xi

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杨伯峻《论语译注》samesettled不学二南如墙面无见无行,杨明引朱说;杨另引沈括为兼乐舞,朱重修齐诗教,学习范围补充不同。
钱穆《论语新解》samefairly sure同训为为学二南。墙面譬不同:钱重不能歌乡乐在人群中孤立;朱以二南修身齐家、虽近无见无行作比。

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