一孔录

English version: the interface and Yikonglu's notes are translated; quoted commentary stays in Chinese. The Chinese page is authoritative.

论语

Books › The Analects › 子路第十三

子路第十三 · chapter 30 · not yet coveredTo send untrained people to war is to throw them away

The video for this chapter is still in production. For now this page gives the original text, the facsimile page, a working translation and the commentary; the full reading follows when the video is out.

子曰:以不教民戰,是謂棄之。
Text: Zhu Xi's Collected Commentaries on the Analects (Sibu Beiyao edition), page 186 of the base edition.

The Master said: To send untrained people to war is to throw them away.

Working English rendering by Yikonglu; the Chinese text above is what counts.

What this chapter says

一孔按:用没教过的百姓去作战,就叫抛弃他们。不教而用,是把人往死路上送。常有人问:“以不教民战,是谓弃之”,不教就上战场为什么叫抛弃?上面是一孔录的回答。

Yikonglu's reading of this chapter is in Chinese for now; the English version comes with the video.

白Plain Chinese

孔子说,用没有经过教导的百姓去作战,就是抛弃他们。

Draft plain-Chinese rendering following Zhu Xi; it will be checked when the chapter is covered.

看Watch this chapter

Close reading and checking

For readers who want to go deeper or check our work: key words in the commentary, what other commentators say, textual variants, the commentaries in their own words with facsimile pages, pronunciation and corrections. Tap a heading to open it.

常The common reading

“以不教民战,是谓弃之”,不教就上战场为什么叫抛弃?

注Key words in the commentary

以,用也。言用不教之民以战,必有败亡之祸,是弃其民也。

核Zhu Xi's commentary, line by line

Zhu Xi's own words on each line of this chapter, each checked against the base-edition page. Other commentators are added when the chapter is covered. About this edition

LineQuoted textPage
子曰:以不教民战“以,用也。言用不教之民以战,必有败亡之祸,是弃其民也。”page 185—186

家Other commentaries

Our base text is Zhu Xi's Collected Commentaries (above). Here are other commentaries side by side: for old commentaries, the first line of the sub-commentary with a link to the woodblock scan; for modern editions, one short quoted translation for comparison. The “compared with Zhu Xi” notes are written by Yikonglu, not quoted.

皇侃《论语义疏》Liang dynasty · 1750 Japanese woodblock edition · juan 七

“民命可重,故孔子愼戰,所以教至七年,猶曰亦可。”……

woodblock scan vol. 4 p. 20About this edition

杨伯峻《论语译注》Zhonghua Book Co. · modern, short quote

“用未经受过训练的人民去作战,这等于糟踏生命。”

About this edition

钱穆《论语新解》modern, short quote

“用不经教练的民众去临战阵,只好说是抛弃了他们。”

About this edition

Compared with Zhu Xi

CommentaryPointRelationConfidenceNote
杨伯峻《论语译注》samesettled以为用,不教民为未受教的民,驱之战是弃民;杨明释名词结构,朱亦不教之民,无须改断句。
钱穆《论语新解》samefairly sure同训以为用,不教礼义战阵而驱民战必败亡,等于弃民;并不把孔子说成绝对不言兵事。

Found an error in this chapter? Email us; once checked, it goes on the errata page under your username: email (image)

Follow Yikonglu

WeChat QR
Scan with WeChat to follow our official account; reply “目录” for the full contents. Or ask us by email
▶ Subscribe on YouTube