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子路第十三 · chapter 3 · not yet coveredThe ruler of Wei is waiting for you to govern

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子路曰:衛君待子而為政,子將奚先?子曰:必也,正名乎?子路曰:有是哉,子之迂也。奚其正?子曰:野哉由也!君子於其所不知,蓋闕如也。名不正,則言不順;言不順,則事不成;事不成,則禮樂不興;禮樂不興,則刑罰不中;刑罰不中,則民無所措手足。故君子名之必可言也,言之必可行也。君子於其言,無所苟而已矣。
Text: Zhu Xi's Collected Commentaries on the Analects (Sibu Beiyao edition), page 174 of the base edition.

Zilu said: The ruler of Wei is waiting for you to govern. What will you do first? The Master said: It must be to rectify names! Zilu said: Is that so? How impractical you are, Master! Why rectify them? The Master said: How crude you are, You! A gentleman leaves aside what he does not know. If names are not correct, speech does not follow; if speech does not follow, affairs do not succeed; if affairs do not succeed, ritual and music do not flourish; if ritual and music do not flourish, punishments miss the mark; if punishments miss the mark, the people do not know where to put hand or foot. So when a gentleman names something, it must be sayable; when he says it, it must be doable. In his words the gentleman allows nothing careless.

Working English rendering by Yikonglu; the Chinese text above is what counts.

What this chapter says

一孔按:正名先是一件实事:卫国父子争位,名分乱了。由此推开,才是名和实要对得上。

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白Plain Chinese

子路问,卫君等着您主持政事,您先做什么,孔子说,先端正名分吧;子路嫌这太迂远,孔子说,仲由真粗率,不知道的事应当暂留不说。名分不正,言语便不合道理,事情就办不成,礼乐不能兴,刑罚失当,百姓便不知如何举措,所以君子所定的名必须说得通,说出的话必须行得通,一言也不可苟且。

Draft plain-Chinese rendering following Zhu Xi; it will be checked when the chapter is covered.

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Connections

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  • Read alongside (Yikonglu)Three Character Classic 22: The word “usurped” (篡) in “Wang Mang usurped” (王莽篡) is the label historians fixed on him. Once the name is settled, right and wrong are clear.
  • Read alongside (Yikonglu)Three Character Classic 23: Historians argued over which of the Three Kingdoms was legitimate, and what they were arguing about was names and roles.
  • Read alongside (Yikonglu)Three Character Classic 25: The text says “received the abdication of Zhou” (受周禅), while commentators write “usurped” (篡): the dispute is between name and reality.
  • Read alongside (Yikonglu)Daodejing 32: “Once regulation begins there are names; once there are names, one should know when to stop” (始制有名,名亦既有,夫亦将知止). Confucius wants names rectified, and Laozi says that once names are established, one must know when to stop.
  • Cited by commentatorsDaodejing 57: Su Zhe explains "The more laws and orders are displayed" (法令滋彰) by citing Confucius's passage on rectifying names: "the people will not know where to put hand or foot."
  • Cited by commentatorsDaodejing 74: Su Zhe explains "The people do not fear death" (民不畏死), again citing Confucius: "the people will not know where to put hand or foot."
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Zilu41 chaptersDuke Chu of Wei2 chapters

Disputed reading
Textual variants
  • Base text reads 无所措手足; the received text reads 无所错手足

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Zhu Xi's own words on each line of this chapter, each checked against the base-edition page. Other commentators are added when the chapter is covered. About this edition

LineQuoted textPage
子路曰:卫君待子“卫君,谓出公辄也。是时鲁哀公之十年,孔子自楚反乎卫。”page 174
子曰:必也,正名“是时出公不父其父而禰其祖,名实紊矣,故孔子以正名为先。”page 174
子曰:必也,正名“正名虽为卫君而言,然为政之道,皆当以此为先。”page 174
子路曰:有是哉,“迂,谓远于事情,言非今日之急务也。”page 174
子曰:野哉由也!“野,谓鄙俗。责其不能阙疑,而率尔妄对也。”page 174
君子于其言,无所“名不当其实,则言不顺。言不顺,则无以考实而事不成。”page 174—175
君子于其言,无所“事得其序之谓礼,物得其和之谓乐。事不成,则无序而不和,故礼乐不兴。礼乐不兴,则施之政事皆失其道,故刑罚不中。”page 174—175
君子于其言,无所“名实相须。一事苟,则其余皆苟矣。”page 174—175
君子于其言,无所“卫世子蒯聩耻其母南子之淫乱,欲杀之,不果而出奔。灵公欲立公子郢,郢辞。公卒,夫人立之,又辞。乃立蒯聩之子辄,以拒蒯聩。夫蒯聩欲杀母,得罪于父;而辄据国以拒父,皆无父之人也,其不可有国也明矣。夫子为政,而以正名为先,必将具其事之本末,告诸天王,请于方伯,命公子郢而立之,则人伦正,天理得,名正言顺而事成矣。夫子告之之详如此,而子路终不喻也,故事辄不去,卒死其难。徒知食焉不避其难之为义,而不知食辄之食为非义也。”page 175

异Textual variants

Where the base edition differs from the common text; the original follows the base edition.

Base editionCommon textNote
无所措手足无所错手足底本PDF174措;杨本13.3错

家Other commentaries

Our base text is Zhu Xi's Collected Commentaries (above). Here are other commentaries side by side: for old commentaries, the first line of the sub-commentary with a link to the woodblock scan; for modern editions, one short quoted translation for comparison. The “compared with Zhu Xi” notes are written by Yikonglu, not quoted.

皇侃《论语义疏》Liang dynasty · 1750 Japanese woodblock edition · juan 七

“云子路曰云云者,子,孔子也。”……

woodblock scan vol. 4 p. 4About this edition

杨伯峻《论语译注》Zhonghua Book Co. · modern, short quote

“那一定是纠正名分上的用词不当罢!”

About this edition

钱穆《论语新解》modern, short quote

“如卫君有意等待先生来主政,先生对卫事将何从下手呀?”

About this edition

Compared with Zhu Xi

CommentaryPointRelationConfidenceNote
杨伯峻《论语译注》正名word sensefairly sure均重名分与实际相称,杨拒正字说,朱专系卫辄父祖关系后推一般治政;不能缩成仅改字形。
钱穆《论语新解》samefairly sure同因卫辄拒父名实乱提出正名,名言事礼乐刑罚相贯;钱反对臆测孔子将如何处置卫父子之史实,朱另列推论而仍重名实。

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