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宪问第十四 · chapter 10 · not yet coveredSomeone asked about Zichan

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或問子產。子曰:惠人也。問子西。曰:彼哉!彼哉!問管仲。曰:人也。奪伯氏駢邑三百,飯疏食,沒齒無怨言。
Text: Zhu Xi's Collected Commentaries on the Analects (Sibu Beiyao edition), page 189 of the base edition. Yang Bojun's Lunyu yizhu numbers this chapter 14.9.

Someone asked about Zichan. The Master said: A kind man. He asked about Zixi. The Master said: That man! That man! He asked about Guan Zhong. The Master said: He was a man indeed. He took the three hundred households of Pian from the Bo family, and Bo, living on coarse food, never uttered a word of resentment to the end of his days.

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What this chapter says

一孔按:有人问子产,孔子说是惠人;问子西,说他呀他呀;问管仲,说是个人物,夺了伯氏骈邑三百户,伯氏吃粗饭到老没有怨言。夺得有理,被夺的人也服。常有人问“管仲夺了伯氏骈邑,伯氏为什么到老都没有怨言”,上面是一孔录的回答。

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白Plain Chinese

有人问子产,孔子说,他是惠爱人的人,问子西,孔子说,那个人啊,那个人啊。问管仲,孔子说,他夺去伯氏骈邑三百户,伯氏只能吃粗饭,却终身没有怨言。

Draft plain-Chinese rendering following Zhu Xi; it will be checked when the chapter is covered.

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常The common reading

管仲夺了伯氏骈邑,伯氏为什么到老都没有怨言?

注Key words in the commentary

子西,楚公子申,能逊楚国,立昭王而改纪其政,亦贤大夫也。然不能革其僭王之号。昭王欲用孔子,又沮止之。

核Zhu Xi's commentary, line by line

Zhu Xi's own words on each line of this chapter, each checked against the base-edition page. Other commentators are added when the chapter is covered. About this edition

LineQuoted textPage
曰:彼哉!“子西,楚公子申,能逊楚国,立昭王而改纪其政,亦贤大夫也。然不能革其僭王之号。昭王欲用孔子,又沮止之。其后卒召白公以致祸乱,则其为人可知矣。彼哉者,外之之辞。”page 189
夺伯氏骈邑三百,“人也,犹言此人也。伯氏,齐大夫。骈邑,地名。齿,年也。盖桓公夺伯氏之邑以与管仲,伯氏自知己罪,而心服管仲之功,故穷约以终身而无怨言。荀卿所谓与之书社三百,而富人莫之敢拒者,即此事也。”page 189—190
夺伯氏骈邑三百,“管仲之德不胜其才,子产之才不胜其德。然于圣人之学,则槩乎其未有闻也。”page 189—190

家Other commentaries

Our base text is Zhu Xi's Collected Commentaries (above). Here are other commentaries side by side: for old commentaries, the first line of the sub-commentary with a link to the woodblock scan; for modern editions, one short quoted translation for comparison. The “compared with Zhu Xi” notes are written by Yikonglu, not quoted.

皇侃《论语义疏》Liang dynasty · 1750 Japanese woodblock edition · juan 七

“云或問子產者,或人問於孔子,鄭之子產德行於民何如也。”……

woodblock scan vol. 4 p. 25About this edition

钱穆《论语新解》modern, short quote

“有人问子产,其人怎样呀?”

About this edition

Compared with Zhu Xi

CommentaryPointRelationConfidenceNote
钱穆《论语新解》samefairly sure同以子产心爱人为惠、管仲能夺邑使人终无怨见所服;对子西不称许均不等同不承认其一切才政。

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